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PostSubject: Animals can tell right from wrong   Thu Mar 22, 2012 11:14 pm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/wildlife/5373379/Animals-can-tell-right-from-wrong.html

Ya know, people have always said that dogs don't have guilt when they pee on your rug - that they're cuing off the human's displeasure. I could never understand how my dog could cue off my displeasure when I walk through the door and I didn't even know the dog peed on the rug, but the dog greets me in a guilty manner. . . did that thought of mine make any sense?

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PostSubject: Re: Animals can tell right from wrong   Fri Mar 23, 2012 1:42 am

Yep, I know that look. Our girl Murphy has that look often!
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PostSubject: Re: Animals can tell right from wrong   Fri Mar 23, 2012 1:48 pm

I haven't had time to follow the link yet, but my experience is that any trainable animal can connect an action on their part with a negative consequence. The rest comes down to memory and social nature. IME a dog will connect having done something for which it has been previously chastised with the PERSON, a cat will connect it with the action and will quickly learn that if the person isn't there the negative consequence doesn't happen. A horse will have moved on, unless the transgression ocurred right in front of the person. I have not yet figured out birds in this respect. They actually have yet to destroy something when I wasn''t looking. The cat doesn't expect the relationship to be affected and hence does not seem guilty, the dog does and acts in a guilty/submissive manner to regain favor. So I think they definitely know an act can be "wrong" in the sense that bad things happen when they do it.

Whether they have a moral sense of right and wrong is a much more complicated question.

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PostSubject: Re: Animals can tell right from wrong   Fri Mar 23, 2012 3:49 pm

ScooterNScotty wrote:
So I think they definitely know an act can be "wrong" in the sense that bad things happen when they do it.

Whether they have a moral sense of right and wrong is a much more complicated question.

I agree it's not a moral sense of right and wrong. It's learned behavior that certain behaviors are or are not acceptable in the animals' pack structure.

Human morals are the same way. A lot of it is culturally dictated and learned.

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PostSubject: Re: Animals can tell right from wrong   Sun Mar 25, 2012 7:30 pm

I do not need to read the book to know that( on the other hand book will be a good to relax)!

Take a look at your pets: even my bunny knew, when he did something wrong. The "It wasn't me face" Wink
And I bet everybody could go on and on with examples!
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PostSubject: Re: Animals can tell right from wrong   Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:41 pm

Merlin tells on himself when he knows he's doing something he shouldn't be.

And Fynn pooped in the bird room the other day - as soon as we noticed, we found him in his kennel with his head guilty with shame.
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PostSubject: Re: Animals can tell right from wrong   Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:47 pm

mango nipped my thumb cause he didn't want to go back into the cage and i scolded him...later on this afternoon as he and i sat in the jeep waiting for my son i told him i was still angry and not to do it again...he bend down and kissed my sore thumb...just a coincidence i think...or was it....lol

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PostSubject: Re: Animals can tell right from wrong   Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:55 pm

dusty wrote:
mango nipped my thumb cause he didn't want to go back into the cage and i scolded him...later on this afternoon as he and i sat in the jeep waiting for my son i told him i was still angry and not to do it again...he bend down and kissed my sore thumb...just a coincidence i think...or was it....lol

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I'd like to think he knew what he was doing

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