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mrs.blueberry
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PostSubject: seems scared   seems scared EmptyMon Apr 16, 2012 12:40 pm

my new handfed budgie seems like she never wants to leave her cage and now tries to bite when you try to get her. she will eventually step up. once she is out she will hangout with you and is fine. she also hates being sprayed for a bath and shakes a lot afterward i'll sit in the sun with her and that seems to help. any suggestions on a better way to bath.
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PostSubject: Re: seems scared   seems scared EmptyMon Apr 16, 2012 1:46 pm

make sure it is a very fine mist...hand feed her treats when she is in the cage, perhaps your hands are scaring her


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PostSubject: Re: seems scared   seems scared EmptyMon Apr 16, 2012 3:39 pm

When I first brought home my budgies, they were VERY much cage bound. They were shy of hands, and flapped around. What I find that helped is persistence and patience. Keep working on it every day. Your budgie is very smart, and soon she will understand that you don't want to hurt her.

It also helps if she has a special place outside of the cage for her to feel safe and play. A little play area, with millet and favorite treats. Make coming out of the cage a fun event, something she will look forward to.

As for the misting, some birds like it more than others. None of my birds enjoy being sprayed. My budgies sometimes will take a dip in their water bowl.
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PostSubject: Re: seems scared   seems scared EmptyMon Apr 16, 2012 5:14 pm

thank you i will try these things
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PostSubject: Re: seems scared   seems scared EmptyMon Apr 16, 2012 8:39 pm

I would start target training with a chopstick. www.trainedparrot.com/taming is a great training guide. What i love about target training is that it really focuses the bird on learning whatever to receive treats and it also helps bond with the trainer at the same time.

I don't like the 'let them come to you' method because so often, it simply never works. For example, my fiance's grandma bought a budgie and the little bird is still completely wild after almost 2 years despite having lots of attention and flying time.

Also, were you ever notified that you can't keep any air freshners, plugins, scented cleaners, incense or candles? Birds have air sacs all over their body and toxins build up. You also need to get rid of any non-stick coated cookware because if it overheats, deadly fumes are released to the birds. Some people continue to use teflon while having birds anyway but you are risking their life every time you use it.

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PostSubject: Re: seems scared   seems scared EmptyMon Apr 16, 2012 9:32 pm

GlassOnion wrote:
I don't like the 'let them come to you' method because so often, it simply never works. For example, my fiance's grandma bought a budgie and the little bird is still completely wild after almost 2 years despite having lots of attention and flying time.

Worked for me Razz
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PostSubject: Re: seems scared   seems scared EmptyMon Apr 16, 2012 11:13 pm

I agree with Glass Onion, target training is a great way to start overcoming fear and learning that your hands are not "evil things". It's a great start to bonding.
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PostSubject: Re: seems scared   seems scared EmptyTue Apr 17, 2012 1:36 am

I'm a fan of target training as well. As a matter of fact, I'm in the process of writing a book for a class I'm planning teach within the next couple of months. Smile (Hence my virtual absence from the forum recently.)

How old is your budgie? Often young budgies will go through a stage when they're testing the waters in a new home. How do you react when she bites? Do you pull away? Tell her no? Tell her to step up again? Do you react at all? If it were me, without moving my hand, I'd tell her "No bite." When she's finished with that naughty business, I'd move my finger back into her chest a little bit while telling her again to "step up." I wouldn't let her call the shots about when/how you get to put your hand in the cage nor about when/how she has to come out. That said, I would also spend some time putting my hand in the cage, giving her a treat, and taking my hand out. I'd also put my hand in, ask her to step up, then tell her to step right back off again without ever taking her out of the cage. In addition, I'd reach in and grab her over her wings and pick her up once or twice a day. As you can see, I'm pretty "handsy" with my birds. They get grabbed and handled a lot and it seems to have turned out some fairly nice birds so far.

As for the bath, try giving her a small bowl/dish of water and see if she's interested in bathing in that. I know many of our last bunch of young budgies would bathe in the water dish, so I'm pretty sure it's not so much a learned behavior as an instinctive one. If after offering her a water dish for several days in a row she doesn't seem interested in it, you could try offering her some large leaves of really wet greens. Some of my breeding budgies enjoy bathing in the water on the greens when I put them in the cages for their snack.

If there's anything else, let us know! We've ALWAYS got ideas! LOL!


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PostSubject: Re: seems scared   seems scared EmptyTue Apr 17, 2012 3:46 am

GlassOnion wrote:


Also, were you ever notified that you can't keep any air freshners, plugins, scented cleaners, incense or candles? Birds have air sacs all over their body and toxins build up. You also need to get rid of any non-stick coated cookware because if it overheats, deadly fumes are released to the birds. Some people continue to use teflon while having birds anyway but you are risking their life every time you use it.


I'm going to suggest that this is a VERY conservative way to look at it. If you have a one-room apartment with poor ventilation, it probably would be best to do away with with strongly perfumed products and harsh cleaners like ammonia, chlorine bleach and pine sol. On the other hand, if you have a large home with lots of ventilation, you are probably OK keeping these things restricted to areas away from the birds. I don't use any of those things in the room where the birds are located, and if I use them in the bathroom across the hall I open the window,close the door and run the (properly ducted) vent van. OTOH, I've been known to use chlorine bleach in the kitchen and scented candles in my studio, in areas reasonably far from the birds. I don't live in a mansion, it's a 1600 square foot ranch home. The point is that you don't want your birds breathing anything noxious. While the air sacs are not the entire avian anatomy, birds are really, really,really sensitive to inhalants.

The truth about nonstick coatings is also not quite as black and white as this. It is the PTFE-based coatings, which include most of the previous generation of coatings including Teflon and Silverstones, that are problematic. They won't break down and produce toxic fumes unless they are quite hot, but if you brown meat in a skillet with a lot of empty space around the meat, you may be getting the pan a lot hotter than you think. It is safesty to banish any PTFE coated pans from the home, but if you are very careful and use them only for low heat applications, your risk is that of an accident. The newer ceramic coatings dont suffer from potentially producting toxic fumes, but they are expensive. The fumes emitted by overheated "teflon" are extremely deadly -- a whole different class of deadly than air freshener or hairspray.

The most insidious thing about "teflon" type coatings is that almost anything with a heating element in it may contain residue from the manufacturing process. This includes space heaters, self-cleaning ovens, hair dryers etc. Its best to remove birds from the house the first few times you run these things. For good measure, I take the birds out when I run our self-cleaning oven even though it is well burned in. Even if no PTFE residue is left, it makes a fairly nasty smell. If the smell makes you uncomfortable, it's worth worrying about IMO.

But all that said, and I think Patdbunny said it here, you worry to death about alll the things that might harm your birds and they find some other kind of trouble entirely .
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PostSubject: Re: seems scared   seems scared EmptyTue Apr 17, 2012 6:28 am

ScooterNScotty wrote:
But all that said, and I think Patdbunny said it here, you worry to death about alll the things that might harm your birds and they find some other kind of trouble entirely .
Yep. That's exactly what happens. They're scamps and will cause problems no matter what you do. It's their job.
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PostSubject: Re: seems scared   seems scared EmptyTue Apr 17, 2012 1:21 pm

I love you all for the great info. Hey Vicki just so you know Mrs. Blueberry is the bird you gave me. This
is Sophia. Thank you. We do know about all the air freshners and all that good stuff and have made sure none of it is in the house Smile I put a bird bath in the cage yesterday and this morning she took her first bath all by herself!!! So I guess I just wasn't being patient or maybee she wasn't ready Julsiebean Any way with the biting thing I do tell her no and then nicely tell her everything is ok and keep my hand there she does eventually step up. I like the idea of the target training. I will get on that right away!! You all are truly wonderful. Thank you Vicki for telling me about this site.
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PostSubject: Re: seems scared   seems scared EmptyWed Apr 18, 2012 11:50 pm

Sophia! I thought that might be you! Hug2 Good to see you!!!

I'm glad Blueberry took her own bath!! That's outstanding!

I knew you'd get help here for whatever you needed. Smile Even if it's just a friendly ear!

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