Panama or Yellow Crown

You want to know what really ,really pisses me off ?????
Bird Details:

Breeder PARROTS R US
Bird ID 51275
Species Panama Amazon
Status Adult
Price $799.00 Pair
HatchDate 8/12/2003
Readydate 8/1/2011
PostedDate 8/1/2011 10:20:33 AM
Sex N/A
Band N/A
Quantity Available 1
Shipping If weather permits
Comments Proven pair yellow crowned with Panama sergio (786)326-7698




Now do you think those babies will be sold as Panamas,YC or hybrid ? They're worth twice as much as Panamas.There goes your gene pool.Those babies will be sold as pans ,and make my real ones cheaper . I guess i can't really beat up Sergio about it ,he's probably just brokering them,but still some idiot put those birds together.

that sucks capt...sorry


dusty

Yikes. What characteristics are different in the Panama subspecies? Would an educated buyer know any offspring was a hybrid?

With this offspring the likelihood of them having traits close enough to pass is very great as the diffferences in the subs is not eye popping to most buyers.

I know that the "designer" birds are all the rage right now but

what the heck was wrong with the original design????



IMO the crossing of parrot species just rushes the endangerment of both species as a whole.



Need a bigger soap box....sorry

How crummy

Yeah, that sucks. I think in Australia there was such inbreeding of the different sub species of eclectus that there they're all just "eclectus" and everyone assumes they're all red-sided/SI mixes.

And these zons might get into breeding situations and the breeder might not know they're hybrids. Would be nice if this guy would band them as "hybrid".

flappinhappy wrote:

With this offspring the likelihood of them having traits close enough to pass is very great as the diffferences in the subs is not eye popping to most buyers.
I know that the "designer" birds are all the rage right now but what the heck was wrong with the original design????

IMO the crossing of parrot species just rushes the endangerment of both species as a whole.

Need a bigger soap box....sorry

patdbunny wrote:

Yeah, that sucks. I think in Australia there was such inbreeding of the different sub species of eclectus that there they're all just "eclectus" and everyone assumes they're all red-sided/SI mixes.

And these zons might get into breeding situations and the breeder might not know they're hybrids. Would be nice if this guy would band them as "hybrid".

You're right Roz. If I remember correctly, there are only two or three purebred pairs left on the continent. I don't recall whether they are Red Sided or SI's. I think I remember seeing that one of the pairs (or one half of one of the pairs) is getting too old for breeding anymore. Pure bred eclectus are almost extinct in Australia, it's really sad.

patdbunny wrote:

Yeah, that sucks. I think in Australia there was such inbreeding of the different sub species of eclectus that there they're all just "eclectus" and everyone assumes they're all red-sided/SI mixes.

And these zons might get into breeding situations and the breeder might not know they're hybrids. Would be nice if this guy would band them as "hybrid".

You're right Roz. If I remember correctly, there are only two or three purebred pairs left on the continent. I don't recall whether they are Red Sided or SI's. I think I remember seeing that one of the pairs (or one half of one of the pairs) is getting too old for breeding anymore. Pure bred eclectus are almost extinct in Australia, it's really sad.[/quote]

I think in Australia, it wasn't intentional. It didn't occur to anyone that there were subspecies or something like that. Same thing's already happened here in the US w/ the eastern rosellas. There are subspecies, but no subspecies delineation in the US captive population.